- Lionel Andrades
Tuesday, April 23, 2024
Saturday, April 20, 2024
Italian newspapers are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally
The Italian newspapers Avennire, Il Messaggero etc, like the Vatican, choose an irrational premise to interpret Vatican Council II and to produce an artificial rupture with Tradition. I choose a rational premise and so the conclusion is traditional.
Teologia. Entusiasmo
e amarezza: il Concilio Vaticano II visto da Congar
Filippo Rizzi sabato 13 gennaio 2024
https://www.avvenire.it/agora/pagine/entusiasmo-e-amarezza-il-vaticano-ii-visto-da-cong
1962-2022. Vaticano
II, un concilio del futuro anche 60 anni dopo. Intervista a Zuppi
giovedì 6 ottobre 2022
60 anni fa. Papa
Francesco: «Riscopriamo il Concilio per ridare il primato a Dio»
Redazione Internet martedì 11 ottobre 2022
l Papa che fece amare la Chiesa: 50 anni fa la morte di Giovanni XXIII di Franca Giansoldati
https://www.edizionistudium.it/sites/default/files/messaggero_it_03giurno2013.pdf https://www.edizionistudium.it/sites/default/files/messaggero_02giugno2013.pdf https://www.radioradicale.it/scheda/588545/giovanni-paolo-ii-il-papa-della-famiglia-un-ricordo-a-100-anni-dalla-nascita
https://www.ilmessaggero.it/home/messaggero_135_anni_concilio_vaticano-239693.html
Introduzione al Concilio Vaticano II
Alessandro Cortesi, Marco Pietro Giovannoni
https://www.edizionimessaggero.it/scheda-libro/paul-poupard/scoprire-il-concilio-vaticano-ii-9788825016413-1047.html
21 novembre 1964 Si chiude la terza fase del Concilio Vaticano Secondo
- Lionel Andrades
APRIL 19, 2024
Il Messaggero continua a interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II in modo irrazionale e non razionale
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2024/04/il-messaggero-continua-interpretare-il.html
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Lionel Andrades
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission
E-mail: lionelandrades10@
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NOVEMBER 2, 2016
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html
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For the Italian newspapers and the Vatican, the
passages in Red are exceptions for the passages in Blue. For me the
hypothetical passages in Red do not contradict the orthodox passages in Blue.
So my conclusion is traditional. Their conclusion is liberal and irrational. It
is the same Vatican Council II before all of us. But they are Cushingites (invisible
cases are visible) and I am a Feeneyite (invisible cases are always invisible
for us human beings).
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.
Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848
THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
DOMINUS IESUS
IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH
16. The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts 9:5). Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf. Col 1:24-27),47 which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).48 And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.49 This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).50
Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.51 Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.52
The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession53— between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.54 With the expressionsubsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,55 that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.56 But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
-Dominus Iesus 16.
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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE
LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII
( This letter was an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)
We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ,
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.
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JUNE 25, 2020
TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creeds with a false premise
The TV 2000 staff in Italy interpret the Creed with a false premise and they have no comment on this issue.In a controversial interview of Pope Francis, the interviewet does not mention that the Creeds and Vatican Council II can be interpreted with or without a false premise and TV 2000 has chosen the irrational option like Pope Francis.
In general, Catholics recite the Creeds, unknowingly using a false premise and inference and so their conclusion is a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc) Even the Lefbvrist and Feeneyite traditionalists make this mistake.
Even the different groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Society of St.Pius X make the same mistake.
Even the different groups of the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Society of St.Pius X make the same mistake.
The Dioceses of Boston, Manchester and Worcester only accept vocations to the religious life from candidates who interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds with a false premise and inference. This is obligatory.
The same problem exists in Italy and TV 2000 could do a program on this issue.-Lionel Andrades
The same problem exists in Italy and TV 2000 could do a program on this issue.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 23, 2020
Pope Francis and my interpretation of the Creeds is different.Priests do not say that I am wrong.
Creeds are no more a sign of unity in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/10/creeds-are-no-more-sign-of-unity-in.html
FUORI DELLA CHIESA CATTOLICA NON C’E SALVEZZA
(OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION)
GIOV.3:5, MC.16:16
(JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16)
CONCILIO VATICANO II (AG7/LG14)
(VATICAN COUNCIL II (AG7/LG14)
CATECHISMO DELLA CHIESA CATTOLICA (846)
(CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846)
CATECHISMO DEL TRENTO, CATECHISMO DEL PAPA PIO X,
(CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X)
CONCILIO LATERANO (1215), CONCILIO DI FIRENZE (1442)
FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (1442).
Name. Lionel Andrades
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E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Blog: eucharistandmission ( Lionel’s blog)
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JULY 4, 2018
MAY 7, 2019
The present two popes interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism.The result is heresy
OCTOBER 20, 2022
Creeds are no more a sign of unity in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed
I AFFIRM THE ATHANASIUS CREED THEY DO NOT
I affirm the Athanasius Creed.
I interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed rationally.
I interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
I do not use the false premise to interpret the Catechisms of Trent, Baltimore, Pius X, John Paul II etc.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is not a break with Tradition for me.Since I choose the Rational Premise.I do not employ the false premise, inference and conclusion of cardinals Ratzinger and Schonborn.
I interpret Vatican Council II rationally so there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Feeneyite extra eclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Deposit of Faith and the theology popes and saints of the past.
My interpretation of Church documents is Magisteria. Since it is rational, traditional and in harmony with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.There is no development of doctrine.
The interpretation of Magisterial documents with the false premise by the present two popes, is not Magisterial. It is political.
HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE APOSTLES CREED?
There are two options.One is rational and the other irrational.One is traditional and the other non traditional.There is the heretical option and non heretical, ortohodox version. One is schismatic.The other is not a rupture with the past Magisterium. Most Catholics choose the irrational version. It is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
" I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" - Apostles Creed
THIS IS HOW THE PRESENT POPES INTERPRET THE APOSTLES CREED
1. When you say " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" what do you mean?
Do you mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation ?
Are you saying that there is known salvation outside the Church?
Are you saying that there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water?
So since there is known salvation ( irrational and a heresy), outside the Church, there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ? There is a rupture with the past ecclesiocentrism.
THIS IS HOW I INTERPRET THE APOSTLES CREED
2. For me the line, "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" is traditional. I interpret it rationally.
It means that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation.
It means for me that there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2022-2023 who are saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
So I am in communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions).
There is unity in the Catholic Church with the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed and the Athanasius Creed. For me the Creeds say all need to be Catholic for salvation.
There is a continuity with the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return)and Quas Primas of Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King, in all political legislation etc.The Creeds are not a break with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.But for the present two popes and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) there is a rupture with the traditional interpretation.
TODAY THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED
This is now the controversial line.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
This is how I interpret the Nicene Creed.
1. There is one baptism of water for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable. There are not three or more physically visible baptisms.
2.For the popes and the CDF there is another version, an irrational version.There are visible cases for them of the baptism of desire etc. Otherwise they would be Feeneyite.They deny being Feeneyite.
For the cardinals, bishops and priests there are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins.These are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance.They could include LG 8, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council, for the liberals. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
Since they are 'visible' they are,allegedly, practical exceptions for 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is their False Inference. This was the bad reasoning of the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced by the liberals, in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).
MAGISTERIAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CREEDS
When Pope Francis and Pope Benedict avoid the false premise, inference and conclusion, their interpretation of the Creeds will be Magisterial.It will be in harmony with the past Magisterium. There would be no hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.They would become traditionalists.
THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR ME SAYS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases in 1965-2022, for me,the line, 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church',means the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that outside the Church there is no salvation.
But for Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican it is different. For them, the Holy Spirit teaches that outside the Church there is salvation(visible cases of the baptism of desire etc)
For them BOD, BOB and I.I( physically visible) are exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed etc., for them.
So our understanding of the Apostles Creed is different.
For them there are exceptions for EENS and for me there are no exceptions.
Yet all of us recite the same Apostles Creed.
EXCEPTIONS MUST EXIST IN OUR REALITY
It is the exceptions which determine the interpretation of the Creeds.They are Cushingite or Feeneyite.
In a box of oranges an apple would be an exception since it is different but also because it exists in that box. If it was not in that box it would not be an exception.But the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance do not exist in our reality.They are not exceptions.
In a hospital with many sick patients if one of them is healed then he is an exception since he is there in that ward.Where are the BOD, BOB and I.I cases being visible in the present times? Who can see someone on earth saved outside the Church?
For Cushingites invisible cases are visible.For Feeneyites invisible cases are just invisible.
EENS is rejected when Catholics say that not all need to be Catholic for salvation.This is Cushingism.They reinterpret Vatican Council II, irrationally and then say that not all need to convert into the Church to go to Heaven.Not all - since there are exceptions.This was the heresy and schism of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.
With that same Irrational Premise of the 1949 CDF Letter, they have changed the Nicene and Apostles Creed with a fake premise.
They choose to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally.So the Council contradicts the past Catechisms, the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
This is a mortal sin of faith.Yet this is the Creed for the bishops.
According to Canon Law a Parish Priest has to be a Catholic and affirm the Creed. My interpretation of the Creed is traditional. The priests instead are not traditional.The Parish Priests teach the common irrational version of the Creeds at First Communion classes and Adult Catechesis(RCIA.This is now political innovation.
To interpret the Apostles and Nicene Creed with a false premise is a mortal sin - but about everyone is choosing the false version.
To reject the Athanasius Creed is a mortal sin.This is a scandal.I am pointing out what the Church judges as being a mortal sin.
In my parish,Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea,Rome the priests are not saying that they affirm the Athanasius Creed.
It is the same with the CDF, They reject the Athanasius Creed with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.Then they say that the Council is a break with the Creeds.The CDF and the popes, and also the traditionaists,(SSPX,CMRI etc) do not admit that they all interpret the Nicene and Apostles Creed irrationally.-Lionel Andrades
JUNE 2, 2018
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/church-not-retracted-outside-church-no.html
NOVEMBER 18, 2011
THE CHURCH IS MISSION- Pope Benedict XVI (Christ to the World July-October 2011) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/church-is-mission-pope-benedict-xvi.html
MARCH 9, 2010
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT RETRACTED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION - Fr. Angelo M. Gaetta, Responsible, Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/03/catholic-church-has-not-retracted.html Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOT RETRACTED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION - Fr. Angelo M. Gaetta, Responsible, Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/03/catholic-church-has-not-retracted.html Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are not magisterial on Vatican Council II since they interpret the Council with the false premise, inference and conclusion instead of the rational option https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/pope-francis-and-pope-benedict-are-not.html
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